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[[Category:NPSA]]
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-==== Alternatives to E-mail ====
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 * Aren't we all on [https://slack.com/ Slack] by now?
 ** Slack has some free options, also paid ones
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 * [https://matrix.org/ Matrix] / [https://about.riot.im/ Riot]
-==== Ease-of-Use ====
+===== Ease-of-Use =====
 E-mail is so easy to use, people use it for everything
 * File storage
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 ** Heard of people who use git as a mail repository
-==== Difficulty-of-Admin ====
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 * Struggle with Exchange and Outlook
 ** Weird problems, eg. indexes
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 ** Or sufficient funds to purchase vendor support
-==== Spam Mitigation ====
+===== Spam Mitigation =====
 * Large mail providers silently drop some mail, receivers and senders have no idea it's not delivered
 * Need to bring mail filtering inhouse
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 ** Fundraising? OK as long as there is a paragraph in the message that this is for fundraising.
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 ** Opinion that the only effective filters are Bayesian filters on content, not geo-blocks, IP-blocks, or domainname-blocks
-* DMARC and DKIM (broken for mailing list use)
+* [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489 DMARC] and [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6376 DKIM] (both broken for mailing list use)
 * Dealing with blocklists

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-* Obsolete? Alternatives to E-mail:
+==== Alternatives to E-mail ====
-** Aren't we all on Slack by now?
+* Aren't we all on [https://slack.com/ Slack] by now?
-*** Slack has some free options, also paid ones
+** Slack has some free options, also paid ones
-*** eg. voice and video options
+** eg. voice and video options
-*** E-mail threads have messages and reply text, but slack has just the continuous stream-of-consciousness
+** E-mail threads have messages and reply text, but slack has just the continuous stream-of-consciousness
-*** Bots: "What's my schedule on Thursday?", "Bot, book me lunch with Kirk on Tuesday"
+** Bots: "What's my schedule on Thursday?", "Bot, book me lunch with Kirk on Tuesday"
-**** Regular expression bots, "human in the loop" bots, and "IBM Watson" hyperintelligent bots
+*** Regular expression bots, "human in the loop" bots, and "IBM Watson" hyperintelligent bots
-**** Bots really made it, turned Slack into a marketable product (opened the platform, API)
+*** Bots really made it, turned Slack into a marketable product (opened the platform, API)
-*** But what happened to Google Wave and Google Buzz?
+** But whatever happened to Google Wave and Google Buzz?
-*** Is there a Slack-to-Email bridge? Maybe on Rocketchat
+** Is there a Slack-to-Email bridge? Maybe on Rocket.Chat
-**** But who stores your chats? streams? e-mail?
+*** Privacy and datamanagment concerns: who stores your chats? streams? e-mail?
-*** Spammers on Slack? It's a closed environment, you know your spammer (unlike e-mail)
+** Spammers on Slack? It's a closed environment, you know your spammer (unlike e-mail)
-*** But there can be public "Talk to a sales rep" windows
+** But there can be public "Talk to a sales rep" windows
-** Kik also opened their platform
+==== Ease-of-Use ====
 E-mail is so easy to use, people use it for everything
-** Rocketchat - "Slack-alike"
+* File storage
-*** web client & phone apps
+* Instant messaging
-*** e-mail gateway, LDAP gateway
+* Archival storage
-*** Drag'n'drop filesharing
+* Operating System?
-*** Self-hosted, on Ubuntu as a Snap
+** Heard of people who use git as a mail repository
 * Struggle with Exchange and Outlook
 ** Weird problems, eg. indexes
 ** Would weird problems like indexing exist on Office365?
-***
+* Large systems are constrained only by the time and effort of the SysAdmin
 * Large mail providers silently drop some mail, receivers and senders have no idea it's not delivered
-*Web clients
+* DMARC and DKIM (broken for mailing list use)
 * Dealing with blocklists
 ** Blocklists are reputation managers
 ** Small orgs sending mail are incorrectly identified as spammers
-** Blocklist organizations have no incentive to lift blocks based on the requests of senders (otherwise every spammer would make that request)
+** Blocklist providers have no incentive to lift blocks based on the requests of senders (otherwise every spammer would make that request)
 ** Recipients of failed messages need to contact their mail providers to stop the mail providers from subscribing to bad blocklists
-Spam mitigation
+* Organizations block access to external mail providers
-* Need to bring mail filtering inhouse
+** (block ports for SMTP:25, MSP:587, IMAP:143, &c.)
-* Bayesian filters on content
+** Must use smarthosts on ISPs
 * New legislation for mass-mail (starting 1 July 2017?)
 ** Mailing lists? OK for non-commercial organizations that don't sell or solicit funds.
 ** Fundraising? OK as long as there is a paragraph in the message that this is for fundraising.
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 *** web client & phone apps
 *** e-mail gateway, LDAP gateway
 *** Self-hosted, on Ubuntu as a Snap
 *** Self-hosted, so you have control over your own data
 ** XMPP - Cisco bought Jabber.org
 ** Matrix/Riot
-* E-mail is so easy to use, people use it for everyting
+* E-mail is so easy to use, people use it for everything
 ** File storage
 ** Instant messaging
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 * Struggle with Exchange and Outlook
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