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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Reformat&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>BobJonkman: BobJonkman moved page NPSA Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19 to Smooth Succession/Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19: Meeting Notes go below Meeting Announcement</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;BobJonkman moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/NPSA_Meeting_Notes_for_2016-09-19&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;NPSA Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19&quot;&gt;NPSA Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Smooth_Succession/Meeting_Notes_for_2016-09-19&quot; title=&quot;Smooth Succession/Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19&quot;&gt;Smooth Succession/Meeting Notes for 2016-09-19&lt;/a&gt;: Meeting Notes go below Meeting Announcement&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>BobJonkman: Categorized: KWNPSA Meeting Notes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Draft page for Meeting Notes: Smooth Succession&lt;/p&gt;
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### Future session: Documentation&lt;br /&gt;
- What do you document?&lt;br /&gt;
- What tools do you use?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
### Future session? Coming up with time/effort estimates?&lt;br /&gt;
- How do you be realistic but efficient&lt;br /&gt;
- How do you justify unanticipated difficulties&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
### Questions&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Have you taken over from another person leaving? What was helpful? What was frustrating?&lt;br /&gt;
- What preparations have you made so that future people can successfully transition into your work?&lt;br /&gt;
- What barriers and challenges are there to smooth succession?&lt;br /&gt;
- How do you transfer institutional/oral culture?&lt;br /&gt;
- What best practices are there for documentation?&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Our IT hats&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
- Schoolteachers: often one person gets picked to wear the IT hat&lt;br /&gt;
50 staff, 300 students&lt;br /&gt;
+ He deals with tech support questions&lt;br /&gt;
+ The board has a regular IT department but the ratio is high: 1 person for thousands of users&lt;br /&gt;
+ Tickets take a lot of time to resolve from the IT department&lt;br /&gt;
+ Teachers often have to pick up the slack&lt;br /&gt;
+ The IT staff they get in now are younger&lt;br /&gt;
+ The software stack seems to work better now&lt;br /&gt;
* Software compatibility would break when deployed&lt;br /&gt;
* eg a network game would break everything else&lt;br /&gt;
* Now they test deployments better&lt;br /&gt;
* But this reduces spontaneity&lt;br /&gt;
+ What about interaction with the school boards? How do documents get passed around?&lt;br /&gt;
* This is more centralized now&lt;br /&gt;
* They were going to give all kids their own email accounts&lt;br /&gt;
* Schools have logins for their kids now&lt;br /&gt;
+ Some school boards do BYOD (Bring Your Own Device)&lt;br /&gt;
* This is cheaper for the school boards, which can't keep up (and budgets are tight)&lt;br /&gt;
* They use the same number of IT staff for the Catholic school board as they did for the entire high school system&lt;br /&gt;
* This probably implies web interfaces for everything&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Small non-for-profit, 25 staff&lt;br /&gt;
+ Prior to joining his director was the primary IT person&lt;br /&gt;
+ They signed a contract for hardware/software support&lt;br /&gt;
+ Now there is an IT committee&lt;br /&gt;
+ He made the mistake of admitting that he &amp;quot;knew about computers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
+ The organization decided to move to a cloud based service (Sharepoint) with a data migration&lt;br /&gt;
* This was somewhat painful because the outside supplier did not tell them about their slow upload speeds&lt;br /&gt;
+ He does software/hardware problem solving&lt;br /&gt;
+ He does software upgrades: Office 2013/Office 365&lt;br /&gt;
+ Does training on the Sharepoint move&lt;br /&gt;
+ They are trying to transfer knowledge from the director's head to the collective&lt;br /&gt;
+ They have a local server&lt;br /&gt;
+ They also do BYOD&lt;br /&gt;
+ Getting information for connecting computers to the server is tough&lt;br /&gt;
+ How can staff do their jobs day to day&lt;br /&gt;
+ Do people prefer Office 2013 to Office 365?&lt;br /&gt;
* There is more functionality in Office 2013&lt;br /&gt;
* eg they have a room booking spreadsheet that has pane-freezing problems&lt;br /&gt;
+ Do people have problems with file versioning?&lt;br /&gt;
* Not really&lt;br /&gt;
+ They have had communications problems with outside tech support&lt;br /&gt;
* Even doing hardware audits and internet connections was tough&lt;br /&gt;
+ Getting people up to speed in Sharepoint is a big issue&lt;br /&gt;
+ People have problems adjusting to change&lt;br /&gt;
+ Where is the storage? It is all on the Microsoft cloud&lt;br /&gt;
* How do you deal with shared documents on Google Drive?&lt;br /&gt;
* You can map your own drive to a drive letter but cannot access shared drives&lt;br /&gt;
* OCAML FUSE driver under Linux for Google Drive&lt;br /&gt;
* https://github.com/as...­&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Approaches to succession at a large company&lt;br /&gt;
+ There were procedures that were documented in a lot of detail&lt;br /&gt;
* Important for time-sensitive stuff (eg batch jobs)&lt;br /&gt;
* People did document well&lt;br /&gt;
* You could search a spreadsheet for jobs to diagnose&lt;br /&gt;
+ Disaster recovery testing were documented in a lot of detail&lt;br /&gt;
* He participated in disaster recovery one year&lt;br /&gt;
* A coworker then started the next year, and he gave pointers&lt;br /&gt;
* The documents were well-written and a good guide&lt;br /&gt;
* Reviewing the documents well before is important&lt;br /&gt;
+ Management was invested in making sure that documented were well done&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Another co-op job was not as smooth&lt;br /&gt;
+ A small one-person operation was not documented well -- much of the knowledge was in this person's head&lt;br /&gt;
+ Maybe this person should have done more documentation&lt;br /&gt;
+ The boss was very time-conscious, so he documented only the most complex issues&lt;br /&gt;
+ Writing things down is a good buffer for dealing with remembering stuff that is on screens&lt;br /&gt;
+ Is commenting code financially efficient? There is a short-term/long-term tradeoff.&lt;br /&gt;
+ Implementing better error tracing can be used by future people&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- He was working for a small startup where the emphasis was getting things as soon as possible with no succession of any kind&lt;br /&gt;
+ There ought to be good handoff procedures&lt;br /&gt;
+ This can be an issue with Google Summer of Code: people hang out for four months and leave&lt;br /&gt;
* But sometimes there are good changelogs&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Succession horror stories (small nonprofits)&lt;br /&gt;
+ He would like people to assign administrator access&lt;br /&gt;
+ Most organizations are staffed by nontechnical people&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- When going to new organizations&lt;br /&gt;
+ He had to explore how things are hooked up and why&lt;br /&gt;
+ Naming conventions were weird&lt;br /&gt;
+ He changed some of the printer names and got into trouble because it messed up the network documentation&lt;br /&gt;
+ Other places have been decomissioning jobs&lt;br /&gt;
* He had to document everything before shutting things down&lt;br /&gt;
+ City of Toronto had a good disaster recovery plan&lt;br /&gt;
* Nobody should have to think in order to get things back up&lt;br /&gt;
+ Problems: system change and then documentation goes out of date&lt;br /&gt;
+ One on one training is better than doing no documentation&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- He worked for an insurance company. Their disaster planning was based on insurance.&lt;br /&gt;
+ This is called &amp;quot;key man insurance&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Worked for a university press&lt;br /&gt;
+ He kept the job for 30 years&lt;br /&gt;
+ He had a lot of autonomy in writing his job descriptions&lt;br /&gt;
+ Early on they had their own UNIX system and some people on Windows using UNIX tools&lt;br /&gt;
* User training was not difficult because typographers know how to type to get stuff done&lt;br /&gt;
+ But in 1999 things changed. Kids these days! They only know how to use word processors&lt;br /&gt;
+ Passing on old skills was hard&lt;br /&gt;
+ When he went on leave he hired a friend who knew the same skills&lt;br /&gt;
+ When he was getting closer to retiring there were a lot of meetings about the stuff he did. Other people were learning this but others didn't think they could handle the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
* The people who took his job have good communication skills and could change things to their preferences&lt;br /&gt;
* He found that his meetings were collaborative and good for problem solving&lt;br /&gt;
+ Things are going well but are slower&lt;br /&gt;
* eg there are fewer spreadsheet manipulation abilities&lt;br /&gt;
+ There is documentation in wikis. People can read them but not write to them easily.&lt;br /&gt;
+ Have others dismantled your work since you left?&lt;br /&gt;
* Yes&lt;br /&gt;
* They were thinking of shutting down the Linux servers&lt;br /&gt;
* They were going to migrate the functionality to a virtual machine&lt;br /&gt;
* The server ran for a year without being rebooted and continued to work&lt;br /&gt;
+ Working with text files on local servers can be simpler than the cloud, because of black boxes&lt;br /&gt;
* He had a lot of discipline to the structure of the data&lt;br /&gt;
* black box: you have a promise of input and output, but you don't know what is happening inside&lt;br /&gt;
* If the input data changes then everything can get messed up&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you troubleshoot problems when they come up&lt;br /&gt;
* Black boxes mean you can change the inputs and examine the outputs, but this is trial and error&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Is there good software for putting bounding box information on EPS information. He found a script that worked that was made of Perl and shell script.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- At TWC&lt;br /&gt;
+ Lots of complicated infrastructre&lt;br /&gt;
+ Some of it is documented but documentation goes out of date&lt;br /&gt;
+ People come and go&lt;br /&gt;
* Understand everything about everything&lt;br /&gt;
+ Oral culture (both positive and negative)&lt;br /&gt;
+ Documentation is like survivalist training&lt;br /&gt;
* Documentation that gets used stays up to date&lt;br /&gt;
+ Some documents are used frequently&lt;br /&gt;
* Write down passwords in a shared (encrypted!) document&lt;br /&gt;
* Multiple people working on a door system means documentation gets written&lt;br /&gt;
+ Documentation that is hard to write and hard to update does not get written (or gets written and is useless)&lt;br /&gt;
* Text only&lt;br /&gt;
* No screenshots unless absolutely necessary&lt;br /&gt;
* Trivial update mechanisms&lt;br /&gt;
* DRY : Don't repeat yourself&lt;br /&gt;
* Trivial to search&lt;br /&gt;
- OneNote&lt;br /&gt;
- Plain text&lt;br /&gt;
- Documents with good search&lt;br /&gt;
- Email (yes, really)&lt;br /&gt;
+ Write documentation as you go&lt;br /&gt;
* Too much documentation is kind of better than too little&lt;br /&gt;
* If you learn things twice then document carefully the second time&lt;br /&gt;
+ Some people consider lack of documentation as job insurance&lt;br /&gt;
+ HOWTO files can be helpful&lt;br /&gt;
+ Make things as self-documenting as feasible&lt;br /&gt;
* Drop README files in source folders&lt;br /&gt;
* Inline comments&lt;br /&gt;
* Documentation as file names&lt;br /&gt;
+ Log files and version control are forms of documentation (if you have the discipline)&lt;br /&gt;
* etckeeper is good for Linux systems&lt;br /&gt;
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Best Practices&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
- Mind the bus factor and stay away from public transportation&lt;br /&gt;
+ Don't store documents in someone's personal folders&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Having good documentation is helpful. How does it get created?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Never admit you know computers&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- How do you keep documentation up to date as things change?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Make documentation accessible&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Get good at trawling other people's work&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Do regular training for staff and volunteers&lt;br /&gt;
+ Forcing people's hands can help&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Start people small if you can&lt;br /&gt;
+ This way you can assess their skills and commitment&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Make new people do documentation as they work&lt;br /&gt;
+ This helps them learn the systems&lt;br /&gt;
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Worries and Challenges&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
- Being the person who gets hit by the bus&lt;br /&gt;
+ How do you spread information?&lt;br /&gt;
+ Continuous learning by staff -- raising everybody's level of knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
+ Management may not be on board&lt;br /&gt;
+ Do people understand that not having long-term planning leaves them vulnerable?&lt;br /&gt;
+ You can't boss around volunteers as much&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- People think that the cloud solves backups and IT administration&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- How hard will it be to step into a new position?&lt;br /&gt;
+ When we are unemployed because we don't have the tools&lt;br /&gt;
+ Money becomes a huge issue&lt;br /&gt;
+ Getting access to hardware is an issue&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- How many times will you be called after you left?&lt;br /&gt;
+ Will you remember your old work&lt;br /&gt;
+ There is a sense of liability -- who is responsible when things break?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Choosing the wrong successor could be a disaster&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Finding time/resources to transfer knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
+ Sometimes you need to be inefficient to be effiencent&lt;br /&gt;
+ Letting other people do the thing even though you could do it faster and more efficiently&lt;br /&gt;
* Letting other people do the thing in ways you would not do it&lt;br /&gt;
* Giving people good base levels of knowledge helps&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- How do you learn the system while being careful and not destroying everything in a burning ball of flame&lt;br /&gt;
+ How do you make a good impression and getting things done both quickly and correctly&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Sometimes contractors get commissions with promises they cannot keep&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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